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  WATCHING THE WORLD GO DOWN

  by You Know in

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  "all things are continuing exactly the same as from creation's beginning" is the thinking attributed to those ridiculers of christ's presence.

  because the sign of christ's invisible presence must be accepted on faith and faith is not a possession of all people, faithless ones are willfully blinded to the evidence that the system is nearing its hour of judgment.

  in this the 2nd week of august 2001, the evidence steadily mounts that apostate ridiculers of jehovah's word are very badly mistaken and about to be spanked with a very large paddle.

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  Luke 16 is where Jesus spoke about about using our worldly riches for the kingdom until they fail to have any value. / You Know
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  Ecourage You Know to try for G.B membership!

  by D wiltshire in

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  if you were to encourage you know to present himself to the governing body for membership there in.. what would you say to swell up his head?.

  even if they were lies about his abilities, i think he would beleive it because he is very very haughty.. a haughty person is easy to fool especially if you appeal to there ego, so what would you say to him to get him to committ a kind of jw hari kari by seeking to recommend his own self to the gb.. i bet it won't take much to get him started down that road.. any got some lines to feed you know?.

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  "How long will you carry on frantically against the man whom you would murder?...
  Indeed they give advice so as to allure from one's own dignity;
  they take pleasure in a lie. With their mouth they bless,
  but inside themselves they call down evil." ---Psalms 62:3-4

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  THE MASTER OF DECEPTION

  by You Know in

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  this is a piece i posted on h20 some time ago.

  it was so well-recieved at the time that i thought i would repost it here for your enjoyment.. ______________________________________________________________________.

  the uninitiated reader of course naturally assumes that satan would be the master of deception, but in actuality, while he is the malevolent arch-deceiver, jehovah is actually the master.

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  See, I knew you would enjoy my reposting this piece. / You Know
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  U.N. Change Proves WT is a Fraud

  by metatron in

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  it is apparent that the watchtower society has been busy making.

  some doctrinal changes regarding the united nations in bible.

  prophecy.

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  could you elaborate on this one a little?

  Sure. Swords are symbolic for whatever impliments of war are used. Ploughshares are symbolic for peaceful pursuits. As you no doubt are aware, the UN has lifted Isaiah's prophecy about the nations beating the swords into plowshares, and attributed its fulfillment to their peacemaking efforts. However, one of Jehovah's prophets issues a call to the nations to do the opposite, to beat that plowshares into swords. So, at some point Jehovah sanctifies war and challenges the nations to give it their best shot to efface his worshippers from the earth. You probably already know how that encounter will turn out. / You Know
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  U.N. Change Proves WT is a Fraud

  by metatron in

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  it is apparent that the watchtower society has been busy making.

  some doctrinal changes regarding the united nations in bible.

  prophecy.

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  Your insights into Bible prophecy and the Watchtower could fill a thimble to the brim. LOL

  Actually, it is not time yet for us to denounce the UN. There are however several chapters that contain Jehovah's yet-to-be-revealed judicial decisions in the form of scathing missives, that in time will be issued by the faithful slave against the UN. Paul though, for the meantime, said to give to the one calling for honor---such honor. So, we recognize the UN as a legitimate institution and honor them as such. We don't denounce the United States or Great Britain simply because they are the 7th head of Satan's wild beast, why should we vehemently denounce the United Nations organization? We give them the honor that they call for. However, when the time arrives for Jehovah to declare war upon this world, when he issues the chilling call to the nations to beat their plowshares into swords and get it on, then our relationship towards earthly governments will take a decisive and crucial turn. Until then though we try to maintain a peaceful co-existence with the governments of this system. / You Know
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  WATCHING THE WORLD GO DOWN

  by You Know in

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  "all things are continuing exactly the same as from creation's beginning" is the thinking attributed to those ridiculers of christ's presence.

  because the sign of christ's invisible presence must be accepted on faith and faith is not a possession of all people, faithless ones are willfully blinded to the evidence that the system is nearing its hour of judgment.

  in this the 2nd week of august 2001, the evidence steadily mounts that apostate ridiculers of jehovah's word are very badly mistaken and about to be spanked with a very large paddle.

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  By the way, are you going to spend all your savings by then, that is, if you have any savings.

  No, of course not. I still have savings and insurance and all that stuff. Jesus' financail advice to the sons of the kingdom was to use there physical assets for the kingdom so that "WHEN THESE FAIL" they would have something laid up in heaven to fall back on. So, while I have taken some steps to pay off debt and diversify and that sort of thing, by far the best preparation for the impending failure of this system's means of live is building a strong faith in Jehovah. / You Know
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  FATAL ASSUMPTIONS

  by You Know in

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  jesus further related in the 15th chapter of john: "nevertheless, i have spoken these things to you that, when the hour for them arrives, you may remember i told them to you.

  these things, however, i did not tell you at first, because i was with you.

  so, the point is that jesus has not told his anointed ones certain things yet because the hour for them has not arrived.

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  And 'those that are IN UNION with Christ HAVE NO CONDEMNATION...

  How true! That is why your Balaam-like voodoo results in our blessing rather than a curse. / You Know
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  THE MASTER OF DECEPTION

  by You Know in

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  this is a piece i posted on h20 some time ago.

  it was so well-recieved at the time that i thought i would repost it here for your enjoyment.. ______________________________________________________________________.

  the uninitiated reader of course naturally assumes that satan would be the master of deception, but in actuality, while he is the malevolent arch-deceiver, jehovah is actually the master.

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  This is a piece I posted on H20 some time ago. It was so well-recieved at the time that I thought I would repost it here for your enjoyment.

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  The uninitiated reader of course naturally assumes that Satan would be the Master of deception, but in actuality, while he is the malevolent Arch-deceiver, Jehovah is actually the Master. Let’s see how that could be so.

  Consider for a moment God’s creation. Paul said that God’s “invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship.” Looking then at God’s creation, we clearly see that the creation employs a considerable bit of deceptive techniques as it goes about its business. Take for example the angler fish, I believe it’s called; the fish actually has a worm-like lure attached to a fishing pole-like apparatus that it dangles in front of itself to entice the unsuspecting nibbler to come within range of its jaws. How ingenious the deception!

  One of my favorites is the way some species of birds lure prowling house cats away from their nests. The bird will actually flop on the ground in front of the stalking feline as if it were disabled by a broken wing and unable to fly. When the tabby begins to stalk the new prey and is near to pouncing the bird flits off a few yards and begins the ruse anew. By this process the bird instinctively lures the predator away from the nest, and as soon as the cat has been sufficiently distracted and forgotten about the nest, then the bird simply flies back home.

  Of course, time and bandwidth would fail me if I went on to relate in detail about how the partially submerged crocodile appears to be a floating log. Or, about the various plant species that employ deception to lure insects either to pollinate them or to actually serve as food in the case of the Venus fly trap. Or the variety of orchids that have a design on their pedals that resemble a female wasp, which of course attracts the male wasp and he inadvertently pollinates the flower. Other orchids put off the odor of a wanting female, with of course the same result. And of course many different types of animals use various camouflage techniques to either escape predators or to entrap their prey. There are examples of this sort that are far to numerous to mention, but the point is that the Creator of all things is obviously well acquainted with the art of deception.

  Now, though, when it comes to humans, Jehovah had no reason at all to use deception with his intelligent creatures, as humans are a higher order of creation than animals. However, Satan the Devil chose to use deception to lure mankind away from God. At that point a long-running enmity and outright warfare erupted between the growing families of the two opposed spirits. Now Jehovah, the One who says: “I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be,” proves to be the Master strategist, becoming a “Manly person of war” when it proves necessary, as well as employing the art deception in warfare as he sees fit. Satan simply proves to be no match for the Master. There are many examples of Jehovah’s use of deception on the actual field of battle.

  For example: Gideon and his men, at God’s instruction, used an ingenious ploy to deceive the camp of Midian into thinking that the entire Israelite army was descending upon them when it was only a tiny band of 300 men blowing horns and crashing water jars and waving torches in the gloom of night. The result was that the terrorized Midianites ended up slaughtering each other in the confusion. David and Joshua were both outstanding military men in Jehovah’s army and they always consulted with God as to strategic maneuvers. God often gave specific instructions as to how they should deceive, terrorize, or ambush their enemies on the field of battle.

  One interesting account regarding the apostate king Ahab reveals that God actually solicited the suggestions of his angels, at least in a vision, as to what strategy they might employ to lure Ahab to his well-deserved destruction. One of the spirits came forth and suggested putting a deceptive spirit in the mouths of Ahab’s advisors in order to fool him into attacking the king of Syria. Jehovah sanctioned the subterfuge and Ahab fell in battle ending his wicked reign over Israel.

  One of the most outstanding examples though of Jehovah’s mastery of deception in the art of war was the way in which he dealt with the murderous Pharaoh of the Exodus. After God brought the haughty monarch to his knees with the 10th plague upon all the firstborn of Egypt, God knew that Pharaoh still had not learned his lesson. So after the camp of Israel had departed Egypt they headed into the direction of the wilderness, which is not the direction that it would be assumed they would have taken on a direct trek to Palestine, the Land of promise. The camp seemed to be wandering in confusion with their backs against the Red Sea, with seemingly no way out. Now, Pharaoh is lured into attacking what he imagines to be a lost and defenseless people, but it is Pharaoh who has just taken the bait from the Master of deception and suicidally plunged headlong into the watery trap. You know the rest of that story.

  Now in the ongoing warfare between Satan and God, that has now in this modern era focused upon Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Great God Jehovah will once again prove himself to be the Master of his enemies---ingeniously employing deception. Consider now the simple verse where the Lord Jesus says: “But there is nothing carefully concealed that will not be revealed, and secret that will not become known.” You might assume that this applies to the secret sins of mankind being revealed by God’s exposure, but that is not all. Ask yourself this question: Who does the concealing? Is it sinful man or Satan, or God? The answer is that it is God who conceals the truth; and, “carefully” was the adverb that Jesus used to describe how God’s secrets are concealed. And, indeed, Paul later revealed that “CAREFULLY CONCEALED in him (Christ) are all the treasures of wisdom and of knowledge.” (Colossians 2:3) Now you must ask yourself one more question: From what we may understand about how God deals with his enemies, how likely is it that God will allow apostate enemies of his access to his “carefully concealed” secrets? In the aptly named “truth wars” can anyone outside of Jehovah’s intimate company claim to know THE TRUTH? There is in fact no possibility that God will allow his faithless enemies access to his hidden treasures. Just how does the Master fools the presumptuous faithless ones and lures them into position where Jehovah administers the coup de grace upon his stupefied enemies? Consider the following:
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  In warfare communications between the commanders behind the lines and those on the frontlines are vitally important in relating tactical troop movements and strategy and so forth. Oftentimes messages relayed are encrypted so as to keep them from being intercepted by the enemy. Which, also, opens up the possibility that false information may be intentionally leaked as a means of deception. One footnote to WWII, illustrating the effectiveness of deceptive intelligence, is when the Allies were preparing the Normandy invasion and they allowed bogus documents to fall into enemy hands to deceive the Nazis into thinking the invasion forces were going to land elsewhere.

  Now, with full knowledge that there are many enemy infiltrators deep within Jehovah’s camp; namely, the false ones whom Paul spoke about who sneak in to spy upon us, what means could God possibly use to conceal his vital secrets from them, seeing that his war plans are for the most part open to public view in the Bible? In view of the fact that we have previously noted that Jehovah has mastered the art of war, when it comes to this aspect of communicating battle plans to those in his army, God likewise has used a sophisticated means of encrypting his battle plans. However, in doing so, God has also seen fit to allow his own officers to unwittingly pass false information to the enemy within as a means of deception. Let’s see how this works and what purpose it might serve.

  In the first century Jesus sent out the apostles and 70 other disciples with the charge to preach that “the kingdom of the heavens has drawn near.” However, did the disciples at that time even understand what the kingdom of the heavens was? No, they only had a very rudimentary idea about the message they were preaching. All they knew, really, is that Jesus was the Son of Jehovah and the designated Christ. No doubt the disciples at that time were imagining that the kingdom Jesus told them to preach about was going to be a physical kingdom along the order of the previous davidic kingdom. It is evident that that was their understanding of things when the Scriptures reveal that the apostles “were imagining that the kingdom was going to instantly display itself.” Where they went astray was in confusing the prophecies of Jesus’ human ministry with those of his Parousia and ultimate arrival as the King of the world.

  So, Jehovah did not allow them to correctly decipher his encrypted messages at that time. In fact, it is most notable that the apostles were absolutely unable to grasp that Jesus was even going to die---something that seems so elementary to Christians today. It didn’t matter how plainly Jesus told them that he was destined to die, because it didn’t fit in to their preconceived notions of what the Messiah was supposed to do they were unable to accept the simple truth that Jesus was going to be taken from them. Luke 9:44 is one place where Jesus spoke plainly of his death, yet we read in verse 45: “But they continued without understanding of this saying. In fact, IT WAS CONCEALED FROM THEM THAT THEY MIGHT NOT SEE THROUGH IT, and they were afraid to question him about the saying.” Only after Jesus was resurrected were their minds more fully opened to perceive some of the previously hidden treasures of truth pertaining to Christ.

  But, now imagine the disciples going back out into the field to preach that Messiah had not really died but that he is alive in the invisible realm and that’s where the kingdom of the heavens was going to rule from. Talk about a doctrinal flip-flop! Naturally they would be open to considerable amount of ridicule from the Jews, but as Paul said the talk about the torture stake was foolish to the Greeks and a stumbling block to the Jews. In fact that is how Christ became the stone of stumbling. That was however the means that God chose to separate his friends from foes.

  As the Christian era went on and a body of letters came to be compiled, now known as the Christian Greek Scriptures, and as enemy infiltrators began to proliferate in the organization, God chose another means by which to befuddle his apostate enemies. Paul speaks this about in prophecy, in his second letter to the Thessalonians. In the second chapter where it was foretold that God would allow “an operation of error go to them that they may get to believing the lie, in order that they may all be judged because they did not believe the truth.” So, a mysterious man of lawlessness would deceive those who had originally been under apostolic authority, and he would bring them under his own domination. Using “every unrighteous deception,” the man of lawlessness would presumptuously set himself up as the expert on interpreting and explaining God’s word. And Jehovah himself allows this to take place “as a retribution” upon those who loved the lie. God then allows “an operation of error,” in that he caused his own word to be written in such a way so that it would conveniently lend itself to be misinterpreted by those so inclined to twist it.

  A classic example of how this works is the way John 1:1 is written. God could have easily seen to it that any ambiguity was cleared up, but he didn’t. Instead, he allows the insertion or the omission of one letter to ensnare those who are so unreasonable so as to ignore the vast body of truth that indicates that Jesus is not God. Jesus himself even employed a similar means of weeding out those that didn’t love the truth when he spoke about eating his flesh and drinking his blood. He knew that those wanting to find a way out from following him would seize upon his statement in feigned outrage and disgust. And it gave it to them.

  Now, to the modern era: As was noted above, Jesus sent out his disciples with a message that they, at best, only had a fragmentary understanding of. It is only reasonable then, that, the Lord would follow that same pattern when he returned to restore his congregation to the truth that had been veiled for centuries, in that he entrusted his message and commissioned those, who, at the time had many erroneous ideas about the kingdom. As we look back upon the work of those early Bible Students it goes without saying that they too, like the original disciples, had certain things concealed from them by God. Nonetheless, the kernel of their message was the truth, and due to God’s blessing, it has sprouted, and taken root, and continued to flourish for more than a century now since its planting.

  All the while, as in the first century, the light of God’s word has grown brighter and brighter, especially in contrast to Christendom. And the errors that come to light, Satan and his agents exploit these, which serves once again as a means of sifting out those who are not loyal to Jehovah’s organization and have no real love for the truth.

  Yet, now, at this present moment, we stand on the brink of the final decisive separation of Jehovah’s people and the seed of the Devil. The judgment will ultimately be determined by whether a person actually has faith in Jehovah God and his Christ and will remain loyal to the brotherhood under test when things go terribly wrong.

  With knowledge of the masterful way in which Jehovah was dealt with his enemies in the past we may expect the unexpected. Just as when the apostles were finally confronted with the awful truth that their Master was going to be taken from them, so too, it is a certainty that the events yet to unfold will test the faith of all professing Christians to the limit. In order to finally, once and for all time, shut the mouth of the one who accuses us relentlessly, especially through his earthly apostate mouthpiece, it is Jehovah’s good purpose to conceal certain crucial truths from even his otherwise trusted servants. Remember, that Jeremiah said of his God: “You have fooled me so that I was fooled. You have used your power against me so that you prevailed.” The Jeremiah class today naturally doesn’t appropriate that aspect of the prophet’s ministry to themselves, but that is to be expected, isn’t it?

  It is not necessary for it to be demonstrated in this hostile forum that there are a number of things yet to be set forth correctly regarding the outworking of the final phase of God’s kingdom purpose. Suffice it to say that there is a large body of judgments that Jehovah has yet to unseal. They are safely encrypted, as it were, by the genius of him of whom it is said in this regard: “This also is what has come forth from Jehovah of armies, who has been wonderful in counsel, who has done greatly in effectual working.” And again: “That he may do his deed---his deed is strange---and that he may work his work---his work is unusual. And now you scoffers, in order that your bands may not grow strong, for there is an extermination, even something decided upon…” (Isaiah 28:29 & 22)

  By so doing, God’s purpose is accomplished, in that, his own servants are given the opportunity to demonstrate their absolute trust in God himself when things seem to go wrong, and the apostate infiltrators and pretenders are left without a lamp as the lights are turned off and the finale begins. Apostates are destined to be caught in a pit of their own excavation is the way the Psalmist describes it. In effect, unfaithful ones and other undeserving ones have been handed a phony map by God’s unknowing, but faithful courier, which, when it really counts, will prove to be of no value; reminiscent in some respects of when Elisha lead the blinded Syrians on a tramp.

  So, just as Christ was taken from the disciples unexpectedly, being betrayed by the original apostate during the “hour of the authority of the darkness,” a similar pattern of outright betrayal, upheaval, persecution, doubt, and confusion is certain to erupt among Jehovah’s Witnesses during the initial phase of the tribulation. Correspondingly, Jesus urged the disciples to walk in the light they had while it shone upon them.

  Jehovah proves that even the satanic deception that originally broke out in the Garden of Eden is no challenge for him. He in effect triumphs over deception, even turning it upon its originators to ensnare them with their own device, thus proving himself the Master of deception and towering over all would-be-gods and charlatans that have tried to steal his glory by their deception. Now, as to how Jehovah may ultimately prove to be Satan’s master, consider how God lastly triumphs over the Devil himself.

  Ezekiel speaks of God putting hooks in Gog’s jaws to induce him to attack. Some have reasoned---‘why would Satan fall for it knowing the outcome beforehand?’ The answer is that Jehovah apparently deceives the Devil too. He is led to believe that God’s people are in such a vulnerable position that he can crush them. This sort of satanic thinking is obviously reflected in the thinking of apostates who foolishly imagine that they are going to bring down Jehovah’s organization. And indeed, Satan can crush us, and apparently will to a great extent according to Satan’s vicious pleasure. And so he is tempted beyond what he can endure, and he takes the bait, like Pharaoh plunging headlong into the watery chasm on the seabed, and it is he who falls into the hand of the Almighty. That is the point at which God speaks of his anger coming up into his nostrils and it is simply all over for the Devil and his world at the point when God exhales his furious blast.

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  FATAL ASSUMPTIONS

  by You Know in

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  jesus further related in the 15th chapter of john: "nevertheless, i have spoken these things to you that, when the hour for them arrives, you may remember i told them to you.

  these things, however, i did not tell you at first, because i was with you.

  so, the point is that jesus has not told his anointed ones certain things yet because the hour for them has not arrived.

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  I think you are the most valuable poster here by a long shot.

  You are probably right. But not for the reasons you suppose.

  Over the years apostates have sought numerous ways to try to silence me. This little scam of yours is something many others have tried to pull before. When the standard ridicule and name-calling proved futile apostates have sought various other underhanded means to try to muzzle me. Many times various posters would try to organize an official boycott of my posts whereby everyone would agree not to read or respond to anything to wrote. That scheme of course would always backfire because they couldn't just let me run roughshod over them without a fight of some sort. Over on the old H20 there was always talk of banning me. Some apostates have been so desperate to get rid of me that they have hypocritically appealed to the Watchtower to do something about me! What an honor for me! At one point they even considered shutting down H20 because I continually upset them. Those were the good ole days! I have been threatened with violence, called every vile thing imaginable. But one of the lamest routines run on me is what you are trying to pull. I can tell you now that it don't work. Yeah, so the same vicious apostates that may have previously tried to bully me into submission, apparently in desperation, they then proclaim me as their chief ally in their evil mission. Fine. Then you shouldn't mind me posting. But if that's really the case, why do you always howl in displeasure whenever I post? LOL. I know why. So do you. / You Know
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  FATAL ASSUMPTIONS

  by You Know in

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  jesus further related in the 15th chapter of john: "nevertheless, i have spoken these things to you that, when the hour for them arrives, you may remember i told them to you.

  these things, however, i did not tell you at first, because i was with you.

  so, the point is that jesus has not told his anointed ones certain things yet because the hour for them has not arrived.

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  TO MDS:

  You seem to have gone to a lot of trouble on this post, but, perhaps because of your formatting, it is somewhat difficult to follow your thought. What I think I did get out of your post is that you think "Elijah" is the word of God, or perhaps the spirit of the truth?

  I don't think you made a very good Scriptural case for that argument. First, in Jesus' day "Elijah" was a real person in the forum of John the Baptizer. Jesus said that he was the "Elijah" that was to come. Secondly, "Elijah," along with "Moses" was in the transfiguration along with Christ. They represented those anointed ones who would ultimately be glorified with Christ when the sons of God are finally revealed. The full significance of that vision though is yet to be fully revealed, even as Christ forebade the observers of the vision from talking about it until after Christ was taken up to heaven. That presages something wonderful ahead. Finally, that vision ties in with Revelation were we see that the two witnesses that stand before Jehovah are actually the prophetic Moses and Elijah who have a final assignment to preach to the nations. The fact that they are killed by the political wild beast proves that "Elijah" could not be the spirit of the truth as you suppose.

  As to the judgment according to Malachi, I think what you are failing to appreciate is that God's judgment is not a singular event, but rather a period of specific duration. Consider as a type the fact that Jesus twice inspected God's temple in Jerusalem---once at the beginning of his ministry and once at the end. But the whole interval of time served as the time of his inspection. That's why Jesus told the Jews that they had "not discerned the time of their inspection." So it is in the grander fulfillment: Jesus, as the messenger of the covenant, commences judging those in the New Covenant first. That's why Malachi says the he will be a "speedy witness" against those practicing wickedness among the priests. That's part of the judging work he does BEFORE the final judgment, which of course occurs during the great day of God Almighty. I could be much more specific but there is really nothing for me to gain by doing so in this forum.

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